'Support us, believe in us, watch gymnastics' - Komova still has chancefor Nanning
Russia Cup wrap-up/who could make Worlds?
One of two standout winners at last week's Russia Cup - Nikita Ignatyev, with personal coach Chunusov |
MAG
The identity of the six champions on the apparatus (Belyavski, Kuksenkov, Ablyazin, Britan, Kuksenkov, Ignatyev) doesn't especially give much away, and the main news is that Russia's strongest gold potential, Denis Ablyazin, has a painful knee that requires immediate investigation. This meant that he couldn't contend on his best pieces, floor and vault. If his injury is problematic and he is excluded from China, this will be a severe blow to the Russian team's medal hopes, but it is not disastrous - others will gain experience in his absence and the team should still be able to do enough to reach team finals. Senior MAG coach Alfosov was not half as philosophical as me, though, saying that he was not at all happy; to put this into context, both Britain and the USA are looking strong and Ablyazin's absence does realistically cut Russia's scoring potentially quite harshly and probably leave them well out of the medals.
The team has a number of promising, ambitious, up and coming gymnasts. One of them, 1996 born Viktor Britan from Chelyabinsk, qualified to floor and vault, taking gold in one of the weaker finals in the Russia Cup, Britan's two vaults (double Tsuk piked/handspring double front) were fairly well performed, but there was only one other gymnast in the final (Roman Suetin) who could match him for difficulty. Russia does have stronger vaulters not present in this final, so for the team final at Worlds this result may not be particularly significant.
Ignatyev's emergence as a super reliable all arounder here may surprise some, but he has been working himself up to a crescendo since his victory as Russian Champion in 2012, and has always himself said that he is an all arounder. He may not have the aesthetic flair of compatriot Belyavski (who had a bad week) but he does have the mark of a leader in his humourous yet determined mindset. His gold medal on high bar yesterday put an exclamation mark on the end of his Russia Cup performances.
The consequence in Nanning of Ignatyev's dominance may be that Nikolai Kuksenkov (suffering from a back injury) participates as a specialist on pommels, high bar and parallel bars only. Kuksenkov has made himself indispensable to the Russian team with strong performances on two of their weakest apparatus (pommels/high bar), and his two gold medals matched Ignatyev's. The number of all around places available on the worlds team are limited, and if Kuksenkov had seen Ignatyev's rise coming, he could not be blamed for deciding to emphasise his training on his strongest pieces to ensure selection as a specialist regardless of whether his back was hurting.
The provisional team for Nanning is Kuksenkov, Ignatyev, Belyavski, Ablyazin, with Polyashov (5th on parallel bars, silver on floor),Suetin (7th floor, 8th rings, 2nd vault. 3rd parallel bars) and Kazachkov (5th floor. 4th rings, 6th high bar) fighting for the remaining two places. 1996 born Ivan Stretovich, 5th place in the all around, 3rd place on the pommel horse. and 4th on the high bar) also impressed head coach Alfosov and may be in with a chance if he can prove himself in training, and if Ablyazin in the end is out for the count.
WAG
The four gold medallists in EF were Sosnitskaya, Komova, Mustafina, Mustafina.
Did I say that a long-term leader 'confirmed' her position? That was a bit of an understatement! Surprising us all by competing in the all around - when she was barely out of recovery following clean-up surgery to her ankle joint - and winning, then taking medals on every event final for which she contended. including two golds and a silver, the greatest Russian of this generation positioned herself ready to assault the final hike to Nanning in the leadership position she seems to want as much as earn. I haven't mentioned her name yet, but it hardly seems necessary ... Aliya Mustafina.
Aliya didn't achieve her gold medals in a vacuum, either; on beam she was given strong competition from first year senior, the ambitious and focussed Maria Kharenkova. Returning senior Viktoria Komova gave a good final performance on the uneven bars, beating Aliya to the gold, and was backed up by Muscovite Daria Spiridinova, who is becoming valuable to the Russian national team for her solid work on both bars and beam. On perhaps her most surprising gold, floor, Mustafina should have faced stronger competition from vault champion and floor specialist Alla Sosnitskaya, but Alla has looked a little subdued here. It is a pity as she is clearly working hard and improving everywhere, but a tear-stained face in podium training and a picture of her icing her ankle perhaps tells more than the results. Kharenkova, in her final performance at the Cup, seemed to grow in confidence, recalling some of the better moments of her Junior European Championships gold medal winning floor from 2012, especially in the rapid, powerful tempo of her whip-whip to triple twist pass.
Aliya is looking to be on fine form and still has another six weeks to complete her final preparations for China. It is four years since she won her first major all around title in Rotterdam. Since then she has suffered the career-changing injury in Berlin, and has tempered her skills in Olympic Games, Universiade. European and further World Championships. Like the veteran Nelli Kim in 1979, she no longer possesses the firepower of the youngsters, but what she does possess is an incredible competitive steel, a unique combination of strength, line and rhythm, and that amazing philosophical determination that makes it possible for her to knowingly give it her all at precisely the right moment.
Each great leader leaves behind a legacy: it is very premature to speak of Mustafina in these terms, but the fire in the eyes can already be seen in a supportive rivallry with the down to earth Kharenkova and in the growing confidence of such gymnasts as Spiridinova, Sosnitskaya and Youth Olympics champion Seda Tutkhalyan.
Expect upgrades to her bars, which she always seems to leave till last. Since 2013, her beam and floor routines have been transformed. Will she be performing that exquisitely soft, skillfully composed beam as one long combination by Nanning? Only time will tell. but that exercise tells not only of the skill and strength of the performer, but also of the genius of an outstanding coach, Raisa Ganina, who watches over Aliya with such tenderness each time she hits the beam. The same coaching has also reformed Aliya's floor into a performance of growing beauty. We will have to wait a few more weeks to see it in full glory, accompanied by music, and wish the best for Aliya, the jewel in Russia's crown who is bucking the trend of this Olympic cycle and finding a creative way forward that satisfies both gymnastic and acrobatic idiom.
There has been a lot of talk about the composition of the WAG team for Nanning, and the only certain thing seems to be that the list won't be finalised until the very last minute. Nominative registrations are due in by the 4th September, but everything can change right up to the moment that the gymnasts travel, in Russia's case the 27th September. As with the men, the main aim is the Rio Olympics, the results don't matter here too much so long as the gymnasts are in the position to qualify at next year's Worlds.
The official announcement says that Mustafina, Kharenkova, Sosnitskaya, Paseka, Spiridonova and Kramarenko will all train for the Championships, with Nabiyeva and Rodionova in reserve positions. Komova will have a chance to make the team if she can prove herself on at least one other apparatus as well as bars. There is some discussion on the internet as to whether this is beam or vault. It may be both. In the video interview translated on this blog on Friday, Mustafina said that it would be helpful to the team if Komova could get back her double twisting Yurchenko vault, Valentina Rodionenko has also since then confirmed that vault could be a useful further contribution from Komova. The gymternet (the community, not the blog of the same name) has erupted with concern that this may be too much for the 2012 Olympian, but I'm certain Vika will only attempt this if and when she is ready. Perhaps Komova has been quietly doing more behind the scenes than she has shown in Penza; or perhaps the preparation of a single vault will be less stressful than getting back a whole routine of skills on beam. All we can do is wait and see.
Then again, Valentina Rodionenko went on record some time yesterday, during a phone interview with R Sport, saying that Afanasyeva might be ready for vault and floor at Worlds, which stretches the boundaries of credibility given Ksenia's May interview in which she outlined the severity of her injury and said she wouldn't be back for at least a year. Perhaps the discussion was misreported; or maybe Russia have been trying to pull the wool over our eyes, and sneak up on the Americans for a stealthy gold this October :-)
Whatever happens, the Russians, men and women, have clearly been preparing carefully for these Worlds and beyond. Without Ablyazin - and Balandin, who I mentioned last week was out with injury - the men may struggle to make much of an impression, but should still qualify to various finals. The women's competition will still be determined largely by the form of the Americans, who as ever are the clear favourites, but the Russian team should also have something to say as the new generation make their way forward for captain Mustafina, and she makes her way forward for them.
You can find full English language results of all the competition at the International Gymnast website (English) and at the RGF (Russian).
Don't forget that the RGF now has a Youtube channel. There is an English language translation of the main news piece here; can anyone help with translations of the Kharenkova and Ablyazin interviews?
Igor Ivanov has done a fantastic job of uploading the complete videos of the live streams on his channel.
Andrei Rodionenko 'I am not looking for a replacement for Ablyazin'
Aliya Mustafina : 'It wasn't my intention to win medals'
Viktoria Komova: 'I'm training. That's my victory'
"We congratulated each other. Aliya said "finally you came out, competed, and won".
"Honestly I never thought I'd be this *famous/good gymnast* because I couldn't do anything and at about 12 years old I wanted to quit and said 'no, I'm done with this' but everyone else was supportive and told me to come back and I came back and everything got better."
"Right now I'm at Lake Krugloye training, the only thing we had energy for is to sleep, maybe read a book, but not for a personal life"
*talks about liking to sew as the only thing she has strength left for outside of training
"Right now my leg is feeling better but I still don't land on hard surfaces, but now after the Russian Cup I'll try to get back on form and get back to hard landings"
"It's possible that right now we need to help the team and with one apparatus it's unlikely I'd help, I need four apparatus. Maybe if I get beam I'll have a chance, but just with bars it's unlikely."
"I don't have one favourite apparatus I like or one I hate. I love all apparatus but sometimes one is training better than others. They're all good on their own."
"My parents, health, and training".
"The girls are very supportive but when I'm performing I can't hear anything, I just do it for myself. But when I dismount I can hear their support and their yelling. Of course I support them too and yell certain corrections to try to help."
"I'm training. That's my victory. Training was my first impetus to be able to compete in the future with full confidence and strength. Overall, it's just... I'm coming back."
Nikolai Kryukov: Character and Principles
I have only just found this translation of a 2011 interview (no original source given) on the RGF website. In the light of the upcoming generation of Russian juniors who are beginning to make an impression (eg Stretovich, Dalolyan, Nagorny), whose training he has led alongside the personal coaches and specialists, Nikolai makes some useful observations about the Russian coaching system today, his own past experiences as a competitor, and what he sees are the challenges of his vital role.
Nikolay Kryukov: Character and principles
He has always been known for being forthright. And for his character and his principles which many feel are old-fashioned. When Nikolai Kryukov — the Chinese gymnasts called him the "Black Horse"— joined the team, there was no doubt there would be no horsing around. And not because medals were at stake. He just simply can't do things any other way.
"Hello, I am the coach"— that was how a note in a two-year old issue of Gimnastika began when the Olympic Champion and World All-Around Champion was tapped to be the head coach of the junior men's team. "I will take advice, learn and gain experience. I still want to do something with gymnastics", he said then. We did not doubt that he would do things the same way he did when he was competing — with a clear conscience. And so today we ask him: "Hello, coach, how are you doing?"
— Nikolai — do the words "born in the USSR" frighten you or make you feel good?
Those words provoke a lot of feelings. I was of an age when I was conscious of what was going on. It meant a lot. I remember the values the people had, how the people worked. With a clear conscience. I wanted to do the same thing. And I also wanted people whom fate has put around me now to approach things with the same attitude.
I am from a working family; we lived modestly and we barely got by, but mum and dad did everything they could so that my sister and I did not want for anything — they gave us all the very best. And my first coach, Mikhail Aronovich Genkin, told me right away, "Look, those are Olympic champions. Don't think they got here just like that. You have to sweat it here". So yes, born in the USSR… All of that together — my parents, the people around me and the existing values probably formed my character.
— Who was at Round Lake then, do you remember?
It was 1989. I saw Dima Bilozerchev, Valeriy Liukin, Vitaliy Marinich who is practically the head coach in the USA now, and Sergey Kharkov — all the workhorses in gymnastics. They showed great class in their work. I'll never forget how I watched Igor Korobchinskiy and Vitaliy Shcherbo train. They were competing in routines. Korobchinskiy would get on the apparatus and Leonid Arkayev would give him a 9.75. And Shcherbo would respond: "That's kind of weak. I'll do a 9.8". And Igor would say, "go ahead, try!" And Shcherbo would get up and do it. Perfectly. I was struck by that — how sure people could be of their own work and be sort of playing around, but so good! That was the pinnacle of class.
— You once said that in the Voronezh gym, you, when you were a boy, were impressed by Aleksandr Kolyvanov's medals. And you told the guys you were going to win just as many and the group laughed…
I think that desire came because of my dad. He taught me to be serious about sport since I was three. We ran together and did exercises together. Dad once dreamed of being a gymnast himself; he was always watching meets on TV. And when I won in Atlanta in 1996 he said, "I see myself in my son". So I probably had that goal in my blood — to become an Olympic champion. But I have to admit, I didn't always approach it steadfastly. My first year in gymnastics…. I ran out of the gym. They started stretching me and that hurt, so I said I was never going back.
— So who brought you back, your dad?
No, my coach. My parents argued with me about my not wanting to train, but I continued to tear up the invitations to go back that the school kept sending me. In the end, my coach came himself and suggested trying it again. And soon European Champion Kolyvanov came back with his medals. I still remember him coming in in his great-looking uniform that said "USSR" and had the state seal embroidered on it. I couldn't take my eyes off of that seal. And I decided: I'm going to have one of those, too. Before that, I felt like I was working for my parents. And so I'm trying to pass that on to my guys, now. So that they don't think about how much they're getting paid for what they are doing, but about doing it first and talking about pay later.
— Is it working?
To be honest, I'm still perfecting it and trying to figure out what I've been drafted into (smiles). Or what I've got myself into. And since a person is always perfecting himself, I try to live by the proverb: "Live 100 years, learn 100 years".
— Sport today is like a profession like any other and a person has the right to know how much he is getting paid for it. How do you try to teach your gymnasts what you said: that you have to respect the profession and respect yourself in it?
It all comes during the working process. For example, when we line up. I see that they aren't being receptive to some piece of information or they express their feelings in some other way, like, "Why do we have to do that? How much are they paying us for that?" And I say: "Guys, settle down, no-one is going to pay you anything if that's your reaction to it. Ask yourself another way. For example, what is the medal going to look like, how can I prepare my routines the right way so I'm not ashamed of the nerves and the effort it cost? Then your attitude will change". Because that medal is for life. But the money goes quickly. When you get a medal, you can hold on to that moment for life. And you have to remember that sport is creative work, it's not just pounding nails.
— It would be nice if all our coaches thought that way…
Coaches could think that way, if they had normal wages. But that's a different topic. Unfortunately, we can't do anything about that. That's the way the laws are. In the regions for example, coaches working at high levels still have to have beginner groups to make a normal living. A lot of them don't even want to be in the national team. They coach kids up to that level and that's it. I ask them, "Are you coming to training camp?""No.""Why not?""Because I have two other groups and I'd lose the money." And I ask, "So what are you working for then?" I know you can't feed a family on your enthusiasm. Let's come up with a solution with the directors of sports schools, so that they help talented coaches with initiative.
— What are you most concerned about?
The athletes who make the national team. I was shocked when I started. I had to hear them saying they were being forced to do busy work at Round Lake, swings and circles, and so on. Well, then bring us athletes who can already do them so we can teach them other things here. To be honest, I've spent the last year and a half teaching the guys the school of gymnastics. To straighten them up a bit. And when we have free time, we try to send them to school, because they get behind.
— Nikolay, what do you need this for? All of that?
You know, there's an answer that goes like this: Who, if not me? Yes, I'm the crazy one, I don't know what else you can call me. Maybe I'm the dumb one who will hammer away until the end. And I will until I understand there is no hope. And even if I do get to where I believe that, that's not what it's about; I'm the guy who finishes a job if I start it. And we'll see how this finishes.
— You were always a maximalist as a gymnast, and in work too…
Well, I'm changing (laughs). You have to. I mean, what if a gymnast just can't do a certain skill no matter what? I start thinking, well, how can we get around that and build the right technique? So I tell the guys, if you can't do a turn the correct way, try lifting your left arm a bit earlier and you'll get around. Did it work? Okay, then let's move ahead ...
Do I feel at home in this? I don't know, time will tell. I love my work. The pay is good and I have a roof over my head and my son is growing up. Everything is fine. I just have to give it my all and hopefully, things will happen with time. I want the guys' eyes to light up after they get on the awards podium. So they feel proud for the country they represent and for the work of the coaches who haven't left and who brought them to that success.
I don't have any reason to be proud of being a coach yet. It's still too early for that. There is still a lot of work to do. But I can praise the guys for those little successes that come along the way. Like the objective of winning the team medal at the European Youth Olympic Festival. And we achieved it.
Most of all, I want the support of the personal coaches. If I'm the only one fighting like a fish against the ice, I can't do anything. The coaches' eyes have to glow, too, so that they love their work both at Round Lake and at home. But for now, I come to training camps and pull the guys by their skin back into shape because most of them come back after a break at home in poor shape. When the coaches start competing among themselves, when they have a healthy rivalry, then we'll be able to take on the Chinese and anyone else.
— It's probably not easy to be in charge of people who are so much older?
Yes, I feel uncomfortable at times. I respect everyone and sometimes I have to admit that people with more experience are right. I was taught from early on to respect my elders and I try to do what I can to keep things from heating up. But now there are coaches in the team who are just a bit older than me, we even competed together. But it's not even about that. I am not persuasive enough in making decisions and I'm too much of a nice guy. So, sometimes, it's hard to tell some people some things, because I know I can't just say, "That's the way it will be. Full stop!" I get a sinking feeling right here (points to his heart). If I stick to my position, I get worried — why did I do that? And if I back down, I get upset with myself for not sticking to my position…
— Are you able to get away from gymnastics at home?
I try. I have a wonderful son who is growing up. Everyone is surprised by how much he gets around. He's like a rocket that never runs out of fuel. Sometimes, I forget about everything else when he and my wife come to visit Round Lake and he starts zooming around the gym. Will he become a gymnast? I'd like my son to grow up to be a good person and to be better than his dad in something. Maybe not in sport, maybe in something else. Maybe he'll just be smarter. That would be a good victory.
— The head coach also has to be a good teacher. Do you feel "lucky" to get to work with the junior team that is the hardest age to work with (13-18 years old)? Are you strict with the guys at camp?
I give them a bit more freedom then we had. I don't make a special effort to check them at lights out, because I know that if a guy is not sticking to the schedule, there's no stopping him. I just teach them my principles, let them know what I can forgive and what I can't. I let them know when it's time to stop horsing around and get serious. If I see that they are serious in workout, then I may close my eyes to some things. I might forgive them for going to bed late for example, and that happens sometimes. But, I repeat, that is if I know a guy lives for gymnastics and is trying to achieve something. And if not, then why keep him there? And when I do have to comment, and they let you know they don't like it, then I'm ready to put a cross over that gymnast.
But really I see my task to be to create a working atmosphere where everyone is friends, no matter the age. So each person feels like he has responsibility and duties, like they taught us in our time — so the team is one. Konstantin Kolesnikov and Dmitriy Trush and I grew up together and it was never like one was younger so we always sent him to the store for something.
— I've often heard athletes say it's easier to get along with younger coaches. So is your age an advantage in your work?
It's hard to say. Yes, there are some coaches who from the perspective of their age see that a kid is not taking them seriously, one of them might think: well, I'd better sit here calmly, it's not good for me to get upset. Things are more dynamic with the young specialists. As for me… I think the main thing is that there are coaches who understand me and support me. And the guys know what I've accomplished, and how many years I spent in sport so they are not so much afraid of me as respect me.
— What do you remember the most from competing for the national team?
The 96 Olympics in Atlanta. That is unforgettable. I still remember to this day how we jumped for joy after Sergey Kharkov did his high bar routine. Nemov was still left to go, but we knew we'd won! Aleksey did a great set and finished off the Chinese. I also remember worlds where we won, but that was not so big. Except for the fact we were able to surprise everyone, myself included. After all, no-one was counting on me.
— How did pommels become your best event?
It's probably my temperament. I am a maximalist in life, like you said. If something is hard, I have to prove it is possible. To myself, first of all, and then to everyone else.
— After the last worlds, Sergey Khorokhordin said, "We could use Kryukov here…" We can't handle this event. You say we're not working pommels right, so what's the right way? Technique? Will power?
Like this — face first. Without fear. Without any fear of falling. And do your routine with soul. The event is called a "horse", and it doesn't understand brute force; it can feel when you are performing and when you're just swinging circles on it.
— You probably don't even take a full week off for New Year's, but were you able to kick back during your younger days in sport?
Of course. And we naturally stayed up late sometimes. I remember how we jumped in the bushes once to avoid running into the head coach's aide. We were going to go to the other dormitory after lights out — the girls had invited us over. But we didn't make it; we ran right into the aide. It was getting dark and he came out of the dormitory and we ran as fast as we could and jumped in the bushes. We jumped in and lay there and almost gave ourselves away we were trying so hard not to laugh. He didn't find us. But we didn't visit the girls, either.
Sometimes, Nemov and I would put together dances. We'd drive up two cars and open the bonnets and turn on the same music. Aleksey was our DJ: he'd always be taping new songs, buying cassettes for the one good hit and put together mixed tapes to play. I started helping him out when he got his flat in Nakhabino. So, we would turn on the music in two cars and people would come over and relax…
— You're not interested in remembering Beijing 2008?
No. Beijing was like the opposite of Athens. There was both happiness and disappointment when I stood there blubbering in the stands. The Chinese saw me standing there watching the awards ceremony and started taking photos of me. I gestured to them that that was not necessary. It was clear then that the guys in the team, not all of them of course, but some of us didn't get along. They had their way of understanding things, and I had mine. And I stood there and cried. I knew it was my last competition. Preparation had been very, very difficult. It was psychologically hard, too. Because I could feel I couldn't handle the load anymore. I was finished in 2004. That was the unspoken end of my career. And then [head coach] Andrey Rodionenko called me and said: I've left you in…
I don't even want to think about the injuries I had to overcome. How much pain it took, how I had to think up new exercises…
And I don't like thinking about how I left Athens, either. When I had also given it everything — but I guess that's my fate in sport…Everyone was on my side and the guys said, "Leave him in, we'll cover for him, we'll do everything!". But Arkayev, he had his own view and he was the one who chose the team and he said, "Okay, go home". Maybe that was right, but on the other hand maybe he just didn't believe I would do better. And I wasn't the only one crying, the whole team was teared up. They came to see me off. The girls cried and even Aleksey let out a tear. I don't think that was an easy decision for Arkayev. There are some decisions people just can't accept. Now I know that myself. And I know that there should always be an explanation for why you did what you did and not something else.
I try not to hide my reasons for decision from the gymnasts. So they don't go around whispering, he put him in but not him. The one who is the best will go; the one who can't, won't. But not the one who is just best today, but over the course of a long time. We have gymnasts who jump up at the last minute and then, excuse my expression, take a dump in team competition…
— The Olympic year is coming up. What objectives have you given the younger guys and what do you wish for our main team?
Well, I want to tell my guys: next year is Europeans in France and it is a very important meet for them and the results will have a lot to do with making the main team. I want them to hit two birds with one stone — to work all out and to protect themselves from injury. They have to try.
And for the guys in the team in London: Guys! Don't be afraid to work. Don't just do your skills and leave. Do it so that after finishing a routine, your heart is happy.
Nikolay Kryukov: Character and principles
He has always been known for being forthright. And for his character and his principles which many feel are old-fashioned. When Nikolay Kryukov — the Chinese gymnasts called him the "Black Horse"— joined the team, there was no doubt there would be no horsing around. And not because medals were at stake. He just simply can't do things any other way.
"Hello, I am the coach"— that was how a note in a two-year old issue of Gimnastika began when the Olympic Champion and World All-Around Champion was tapped to be the head coach of the junior men's team. "I will take advice, learn and gain experience. I still want to do something with gymnastics", he said then. We did not doubt that he would do things the same way he did when he was competing — with a clear conscience. And so today we ask him: "Hello, coach, how are you doing?"
— Nikolay — do the words "born in the USSR" frighten you or make you feel good?
Those words provoke a lot of feelings. I was of an age when I was conscious of what was going on. It meant a lot. I remember the values the people had, how the people worked. With a clear conscience. I wanted to do the same thing. And I also wanted people whom fate has put around me now to approach things with the same attitude.
I am from a working family; we lived modestly and we barely got by, but mom and dad did everything they could so that my sister and I did not want for anything — they gave us all the very best. And my first coach, Mikhail Aronovich Genkin, told me right away, "Look, those are Olympic champions. Don't think they got here just like that. You have to sweat it here". So yes, born in the USSR… All of that together — my parents, the people around me and the existing values probably formed my character.
— Who was at Round Lake then, do you remember?
It was 1989. I saw Dima Bilozerchev, Valeriy Liukin, Vitaliy Marinich who is practically the head coach in the USA now, and Sergey Kharkov — all the workhorses in gymnastics. They showed great class in their work. I'll never forget how I watched Igor Korobchinskiy and Vitaliy Shcherbo train. They were competing in routines. Korobchinskiy would get on the apparatus and Leonid Arkayev would give him a 9.75. And Shcherbo would respond: "That's kind of weak. I'll do a 9.8". And Igor would say, "go ahead, try!" And Shcherbo would get up and do it. Perfectly. I was struck by that — how sure people could be of their own work and be sort of playing around, but so good! That was the pinnacle of class.
— You once said that once in the Voronezh gym, you, when you were a boy, were impressed by Aleksandr Kolyvanov's medals. And you told the guys you were going to win just as many and the group laughed…
I think that desire came because of my dad. He taught me to be serious about sport since I was three. We ran together and did exercises together. Dad once dreamed of being a gymnast himself; he was always watching meets on TV. And when I won in Atlanta in 1996 he said, "I see myself in my son". So I probably had that goal in my blood — to become an Olympic champion. But I have to admit, I didn't always approach it steadfastly. My first year in gymnastics…I ran out of the gym. They started stretching me and that hurt, so I said I was never going back.
— So who brought you back, your dad?
No, my coach. My parents argued with me about my not wanting to train, but I continued to tear up the invitations to go back that the school kept sending me. In the end, my coach came himself and suggested trying it again. And soon European Champion Kolyvanov came back with his medals. I still remember him coming in in his great-looking uniform that said "USSR" and had the state seal embroidered on it. I couldn't take my eyes off of that seal. And I decided: I'm going to have one of those, too. Before that, I felt like I was working for my parents. And so I'm trying to pass that on to my guys, now. So that they don't think about how much they're getting paid for what they are doing, but about doing it first and talking about pay later.
— Is it working?
To be honest, I'm still perfecting it and trying to figure out what I've been drafted into (smiles). Or what I've got myself into. And since a person is always perfecting himself, I try to live by the proverb: "Live 100 years, learn 100 years".
— Sport today is like a profession like any other and a person has the right to know how much he is getting paid for it. How do you try to teach your gymnasts what you said: that you have to respect the profession and respect yourself in it?
It all comes during the working process. For example, when we line up. I see that they aren't being receptive to some piece of information or they express their feelings in some other way, like, "Why do we have to do that? How much are they paying us for that?" And I say: "Guys, settle down, no-one is going to pay you anything if that's your reaction to it. Ask yourself another way. For example, what is the medal going to look like, how can I prepare my routines the right way so I'm not ashamed of the nerves and the effort it cost? Then your attitude will change". Because that medal is for life. But the money goes quickly. When you get a medal, you can hold on to that moment for life. And you have to remember that sport is creative work, it's not just pounding nails.
— It would be nice if all our coaches thought that way…
Coaches could think that way, if they had normal wages. But that's a different topic. Unfortunately, we can't do anything about that. That's the way the laws are. In the regions for example, coaches working at high levels still have to have beginner groups to make a normal living. A lot of them don't even want to be in the national team. They coach kids up to that level and that's it. I ask them, "Are you coming to training camp?""No.""Why not?""Because I have two other groups and I'd lose the money." And I ask, "So what are you working for then?" I know you can't feed a family on your enthusiasm. Let's come up with a solution with the directors of sports schools, so that they help talented coaches with initiative.
— What are you most concerned about?
The athletes who make the national team. I was shocked when I started. I had to hear them saying they were being forced to do busy work at Round Lake, swings and circles, and so on. Well, then bring us athletes who can already do them so we can teach them other things here. To be honest, I've spent the last year and a half teaching the guys the school of gymnastics. To straighten them up a bit. And when we have free time, we try to send them to school, because they get behind.
— Nikolay, what do you need this for? All of that?
You know, there's an answer that goes like this: Who, if not me? Yes, I'm the crazy one, I don't know what else you can call me. Maybe I'm the dumb one who will hammer away until the end. And I will until I understand there is no hope. And even if I do get to where I believe that, that's not what it's about; I'm the guy who finishes a job if I start it. And we'll see how this finishes.
— You were always a maximalist as a gymnast, and in work too…
Well, I'm changing (laughs). You have to. I mean, what if a gymnast just can't do a certain skill no matter what? I start thinking, well, how can we get around that and build the right technique? So I tell the guys, if you can't do a turn the correct way, try lifting your left arm a bit earlier and you'll get around. Did it work? Okay, then let's move ahead…
Do I feel at home in this? I don't know, time will tell. I love my work. The pay is good and I have a roof over my head and my son is growing up. Everything is fine. I just have to give it my all and hopefully, things will happen with time. I want the guys' eyes to light up after they get on the awards podium. So they feel proud for the country they represent and for the work of the coaches who haven't left and who brought them to that success.
I don't have any reason to be proud of being a coach yet. It's still too early for that. There is still a lot of work to do. But I can praise the guys for those little successes that come along the way. Like the objective of winning the team medal at the European Youth Olympic Festival. And we achieved it.
Most of all, I want the support of the personal coaches. If I'm the only one fighting like a fish against the ice, I can't do anything. The coaches' eyes have to glow, too, so that they love their work both at Round Lake and at home. But for now, I come to training camps and pull the guys by their skin back into shape because most of them come back after a break at home in poor shape. When the coaches start competing among themselves, when they have a healthy rivalry, then we'll be able to take on the Chinese and anyone else.
— It's probably not easy to be in charge of people who are so much older?
Yes, I feel uncomfortable at times. I respect everyone and sometimes I have to admit that people with more experience are right. I was taught from early on to respect my elders and I try to do what I can to keep things from heating up. But now there are coaches in the team who are just a bit older them me, we even competed together. But it's not even about that. I am not convincing enough in making decisions and I'm too much of a nice guy. So, sometimes, it's hard to tell some people some things, because I know I can't just say, "That's the way it will be. Period!" I get a sinking feeling right here (points to his heart). If I stick to my position, I get worried — why did I do that? And if I back down, I get upset with myself for not sticking to my position…
— Are you able to get away from gymnastics at home?
I try. I have a wonderful son who is growing up. Everyone is surprised by how much he gets around. He's like a rocket that never runs out of fuel. Sometimes, I forget about everything else when he and my wife come visit Round Lake and he starts zooming around the gym. Will he become a gymnast? I'd like my son to grow up to be a good person and to be better than his dad in something. Maybe not in sport, maybe in something else. Maybe he'll just be smarter. That would be a good victory.
— The head coach also has to be a good teacher. Do you feel "lucky" to get to work with the junior team that is the hardest age to work with (13-18 years old)? Are you strict with the guys at camp?
I give them a bit more freedom then we had. I don't make a special effort to check them at lights out, because I know that if a guy is not sticking to the schedule, there's no stopping him. I just teach them my principles, let them know what I can forgive and what I can't. I let them know when it's time to stop horsing around and get serious. If I see that they are serious in workout, then I may close my eyes to some things. I might forgive them for going to bed late for example, and that happens sometimes. But, I repeat, that is if I know a guy lives for gymnastics and is trying to achieve something. And if not, then why keep him there? And when I do have to comment, and they let you know they don't like it, then I'm ready to put a cross over that gymnast.
But really I see my task to be to create a working atmosphere where everyone is friends, no matter the age. So each person feels like he has responsibility and duties, like they taught us in our time — so the team is one. Konstantin Kolesnikov and Dmitriy Trush and I grew up together and it was never like one was younger so we always sent him to the store for something.
— I've often heard athletes say it's easier to get along with younger coaches. So is your age an advantage in your work?
It's hard to say. Yes, there are some coaches who from the perspective of their age see that a kid is not taking them seriously, one of them might think: well, I'd better sit here calmly, it's not good for me to get upset. Things are more dynamic with the young specialists. As fas as me… I think the main thing is that there are coaches who understand me and support me. And the guys know what I've accomplished, and how many years I spent in sport so they are not so much afraid of me as they respect me.
— What do you remember the most from competing for the national team?
The 96 Olympics in Atlanta. That is unforgettable. I still remember to this day how we jumped for joy after Sergey Kharkov did his high bar routine. Nemov was still left to go, but we knew we'd won! Aleksey did a great set and finished off the Chinese. I also remember worlds where we won, but that was not so big. Except for the fact we were able to surprise everyone, myself included. After all, no-one was counting on me.
— How did pommels become your best event?
It's probably my temperament. I am a maximalist in life, like you said. If something is hard, I have to prove it is possible. To myself, first of all, and then to everyone else.
— After the last worlds, Sergey Khorokhordin said, "We could use Kryukov here…" We can't handle this event. You say we're not working pommels right, so what's the right way? Technique? Will power?
Like this — face first. Without fear. Without any fear of falling. And do your routine with soul. The event is called a "horse", and it doesn't understand brute force; it can feel when you are performing and when you're just swinging circles on it.
— You probably don't even take a full week off for New Year's, but were you able to kick back when in your younger days in sport?
Of course. And we naturally stayed up late sometimes. I remember how we jumped in the bushes once to avoid running into the head coach's aide. We were going to go to the other dormitory after lights out — the girls had invited us over. But we didn't make it; we ran right into the aide. It was getting dark and he came out o the dormitory and we ran as fast as we could and jumped in the bushes. We jumped in and lay there and almost gave ourselves away we were trying so hard not to laugh. But he didn't find us. But we didn't visit the girls, either.
Sometimes, Nemov and I would put together dances. We'd drive up two cars and open the bonnets and turn on the same music. Aleksey was our DJ: he'd always be taping new songs, buying cassettes for the one good hit and put together mixed tapes to play. I started helping him out when he got his flat in Nakhabino. So, we would turn on the music in two cars and people would come over and relax…
— You're not interested in remembering Beijing-2008?
No. Beijing was like the opposite of Athens. There was both happiness and disappointment when I stood there blubbering in the stands. The Chinese saw me standing there watching the awards ceremony and started taking photos of me. I gestured to them that that was not necessary. It was clear then that the guys in the team, not all of them of course, but some of us didn't get along. They had their way of understanding things, and I had mine. And I stood there and cried. I knew it was my last meet. Preparation had been very, very difficult. It was psychologically hard, too. Because I could feel that I couldn't handle the load anymore. I was finished in 2004. That was the unspoken end of my career. And then [head coach] Andrey Rodionenko called me and said: I've left you in…
I don't even want to think about the injuries I had to overcome. How much pain it took, how I had to think up new exercises…
And I don't like thinking about how I left Athens, either. When I had also given it everything — but I guess that's my fate in sport ... Everyone was on my side and the guys said, "Leave him in, we'll cover for him, we'll do everything!". But Arkayev, he had his own view and he was the one who chose the team and he said, "Okay, go home". Maybe that was right, but on the other hand maybe he just didn't believe I would do better. And I wasn't the only one crying, the whole team was teared up. They came to see me off. The girls cried and even Aleksey let out a tear.
I don't think that was an easy decision for Arkayev. There are some decisions people just can't accept. Now I know that myself. And I know that there should always be an explanation for why you did what you did and not something else.
I try not to hide my reasons for decision from the gymnasts. So they don't go around whispering, he put him in but not him. The one who is the best will go; the one who can't, won't. But not the one who is just best today, but over the course of a long time. We have gymnasts who jump up at the last minute and then, excuse my expression, take a dump in team competition ...
— The Olympic year is coming up. What objectives have you given the younger guys and what do you wish for our main team?
Well, I want to tell my guys: next year is Europeans in France and it is a very important meet for them and the results will have a lot to do with making the main team. I want them to hit two birds with one stone — to work all out and to protect themselves from injury. They have to try.
And for the guys in the team in London: Guys! Don't be afraid to work. Don't just do your skills and leave. Do it so that after finishing a routine, your heart is happy.
The link to the translation is http://www.sportgymrus.ru/Admin/GetFile.ashx?get=1&id=15640
Nikolai's pommels at the 2006 World Chamoionships, where his team won a silver medal : http://youtu.be/h2snPk6qLR4
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Knowing the nature of gymnastics, they won't get the nap, though, and the work out will be today if time allows. The gymnasts will have precious little time to acclimatise themselves before podium training begins, for the men on Tuesday and for the women on Wednesday. For the women, there is that subdivision 1 start, meaning that effectively their qualification, and corresponding podium training efforts will begin at what might still feel like 5 in the morning to them. By the following Wednesday, assuming they qualify to team finals, they will be competing until 6 in the evening. There will be a change in diet, water, living conditions and schedule for them all. It makes you realise how demanding the life of a top class elite athlete is, aside all the training, long hours and pain.
As part of the usual pre-Worlds press round, both Valentina Rodionenko and Valery Alfosov have been speaking about how things have been going in the Russian camp, and what the next steps are after the team arrives in Nanning.
'On the 24th September we had our last control training', says Valentina. 'Both boys and girls competed well, with dignity ... we were pleasantly surprised by the girls ... well done! Frankly, we did not expect as much of them. Now, it is important that the girls do not waver in China. It will be the first time in a major senior competition for four of them. I also want to note that the older girls are not as nervous as they used to be ...
Below, newcomer to the Russian senior team at Worlds, Alla Sosnitskaya trains a Cheng vault in final training before departure for Nanning.
'We have a week in China before the competitions begins ... we are doing everything to make sure that the gymnasts remain calm. Don't make any crazy demands of them ... just allow them to show what is ready. A lot depends on nerves, and the main job for this week is to remove as much stress as possible. ...
'We will acclimatise during the first week. ... Our doctors know everything, and we have brought everything with us that we need'
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'The olderguys talk very kindly to thenewcomers on the team, I am sure that they feel comfortable, there is no friction between the young and the old. The guystried very hardin training.In the men'steam,two years after theOlympic Gamesthis is something like a change of generation. We have the 'Cubs'. The time always comes when younggymnasts have to appear on the senior podium for the first time, and I hope thatat this World Championships theyshowtheir skilland ability with dignity.'
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Chitter chatter and innuendo - how judges' gossip shapes gymnastics
Only a few years ago, details of podium training, judges' meetings and so on were inaudible to the fan's ear. Without accreditation, a fan had to travel to World Championships and network, network, network to find the most reliable source of information. Mostly, there was the odd snippet to add colour to your picture of Worlds, if you were lucky. A few months later your print copy of IG would drop through your letterbox, and you would read between the lines, eager for the slightest hint of behind the scenes tittle tattle. But generally, judges' chatter was reserved for those privileged enough to be attached to a delegation, or to have media accreditation for Worlds.
Social media has changed all of that. The curtain between the fan's view and what happens in training, qualifications and beyond is becoming gradually more and more transparent. In America, USA Gymnastics has provided live streaming of some of podium training and most of qualifications, and soon enough we will all be able to see everything that happens in this early stage of competitions, and not a moment too soon as, like Christmas Eve, podium training is often more exciting than the main event.
Yet, not content with live streaming, we all want to hear what the judges and coaches and gymnasts are saying and we all comb the internet for the merest scrap. Which is what makes IG's innocent little comment so intriguing, and I was a little bit surprised to see somebody from USA Gymnastics react so freely to it on a public forum. The behaviour described is, after all, accepted practice and, presumably, ethical. Why would Aimee be so sensitive to it? We have to take into account the context, in which many pro-American bloggers are sounding off about the fabled improvements the American team - the weakest we have seen in many years - has made on uneven bars. Better marks here might prove vital in a close final if margins on other apparatus, for example floor, are diminished. Clearly, there is a lobbying strategy going on, to maximise the possible score the US can achieve on bars, no everywhere, and this isn't just about how the girls perform on the apparatus. All the same, I don't believe that anything was going on that fell outside the boundaries of usual podium training behaviour.
At this moment, I am reminded of the 1991 World Championships and the much disputed resulted of the women's all around final. The competition, based in Indianapolis, USA, saw America's Kim Zmeskal win gold and become her country's first ever all around champion. It was controversial because her main rival for the title, Svetlana Boguinskaia, had gone through her routines faultlessly and with unmatched artistry. In a small way, the competition was a microcosm of things to come in the sport of gymnastics. An energetic bundle of power, Zmeskal had impressed the judges - and the American public - with accurate acrobatics and youthful enthusiasm. For once, the grace and elegance of gymnastics was forgotten, the line and weightlessness of artistic gymnastics was sacrificed at the altar of acrobatic skill.
It was devastating, incomprehensible - how could the judges have made such a basic error? Only corrupt judging could possibly have created such a result, I mumbled. But no - a conversation with a British gymnastics coach put me right on this. No need for bribes, he said. Of course judges, coaches, gymnasts talk to each other, and of course the subject of gymnastics, and marks, does come up. But it's relatively rare for money to actually change hands - in fact it's not really necessary. Judges, coaches, delegation heads, all know the relative strengths and weaknesses of both individual gymnasts and teams. All that's necessary (if you want to skew the marks) is to talk about particular characteristics in gymnasts' work and gently nudge the conversation towards the idea that deductions should be taken for particular types of fault, or bonuses given for particular skills or characteristics.
You might have to be a bit gullible to take this kind of direction from an isolated contact, but people can be really easy to convince of anything if enough people say it at once. So on a gymnastics level, for example, if you had a really large delegation at a World Championships, and you were all well coordinated, promoting the right message, you could create quite a buzz about anything that pleased you, really. At the 1989 World Championships, for example, there had been quite a furore when West Germany's Andreas Aguilar had beaten East Germany's Andreas Wecker on rings. Eventually, poor Aguilar gifted his gold medal to Wecker, so convinced was he and the rest of the world that the outcome of the competition had been unjust. But how on earth had such a result been possible? Well, perhaps it came out of a judges' meeting, over a drink in a delegation's hotel, a casual conversation in which opportunities for deduction and bonus were suggested that were detrimental to one gymnast and favourable to the other.
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Of course, the Codes of Points have changed since the late 1980s. Execution deductions are much more specific than they were in the qualitatively ruled era of artistry and innovation, but in many ways today's more specific judging method is one that is more open to manipulation. It can be imagined that this kind of lobbying very much shapes the sport, in fact. How else would deductions be agreed amongst the various technical committees, and where do the ideas for changes come from if it is not through the channel of interaction with fellow sporting professionals. That may be one of the reasons why Andrei Rodionenko, for example, has highlighted how important it is that his coaching staff learn to speak English. I would moot that this is not only so that they can understand the Code (the translated versions are often at odds with the primary English language edition), but also so that they can discuss the merits of gymnastics with judges and other coaches, make a fair argument for their gymnasts and have a fair chance of completing the rather tricky appeals documentation. In this, of course, it is essential to have a knowledge of one's rivals, which is, no doubt, why the American judges, assigned to floor and vault, were taking such an interest in the Chinese bars.
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And, of course, we have the never to be forgotten interview with Nelli Kim, head of the WTC, in which she panned the Russian system; quite unprecedented behaviour for a sporting official in such an influential position, and really quite unacceptable. Nevertheless, part of the tapestry of gymnastics life, the gossip and innuendo that contributes to the ever changing picture of our sport and that is ever more in the spotlight now that social media has opened the curtains to this world.
Gymnastics is constantly in motion. Much earlier in this blog, I have written about the battle between artistry and acrobatics that has taken place. While this remains of interest to me, the battle is almost over; acrobatics have won for the time being, until the next big change comes along. And this change will be effected not only by the gymnasts' performance, but also, in large part, by the gossip and chatter that goes on in competitions. International Gymnast's Facebook post was significant in ways that reach well beyond the mere scandal-mongering of a few fans. It reveals how important power and influence are to the sport - this is a fact of life.
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